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It’s possible to have valid complaints about the manner in which actresses, such as Jennifer Lawrence, are expected to flaunt their sexuality in order to sell movie tickets in a manner which actors are not. It’s also possible, as we are, to be more curmudgeonly about this. The Daily Mail has a Shock, Horror! piece about the way in which Lawrence was in a plunging dress (erm the neckline plunged, not the whole thing) to advertise Red Sparrow but her male costars were not.

A photo of Jennifer Lawrence in which she appears to be shivering in a plunging Versace dress at a London press call while her male colleagues are wrapped up in coats around her has sparked controversy on social media.

The Oscar-winning actress, 27, looked freezing in the barely-there dress with a thigh-split in temperatures as low as 3 degrees, as she posed for photos with male stars from her latest spy thriller Red Sparrow.

The sight of actors Joel Edgerton, Jeremy Irons, Matthias Schoenaerts and director Francis Lawrence in multiple layers of clothing has sparked a mountain of tweets on social media, with many saying the press call photo shows how women still feel pressure to be glamorous, whatever the setting.

Well, yes, perhaps. But there is that other view to be had. Maiden aunts and Generation Snowflake might wish to look away at this explanation but everyone else will get it. Worth looking at the picture itself in the Mail (no, we do not steal copyright pictures around here).

Breasts and beards, impressive as some are and unimpressive as many can be, are secondary sexual characteristics. They’re usually associated with certain gonadal set ups, those being the primary sex characteristics. Do note that this is nothing to do with gender, this is sex, biological reality. There’s nothing odd at all with people displaying such secondary characteristics. Human society rather works on the idea that we display the secondary, not primary, ones in fact.

So, we’ve four blokes there showing off their beards – of varying levels of impressiveness. We’ve a young lady showing off her own secondary sexual markers.

And?

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So Much For Subtlety
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So Much For Subtlety

No sex please, we’re British?

So Much For Subtlety
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So Much For Subtlety

Presumably the complaint is that Ms Lawrence is displaying her sexual attractions rather than the things that women who never get complimented on their mammary glands think are more important. Like her intelligence, wit, you know, her personality. Personally I think that women think in such different ways about such different things that men are not even remotely interested in what they have to say unless sex is in the offing, but then I am not supposed to say that sort of thing in public. Instead I will say that the men are displaying their secondary sexual characteristics too. At… Read more »

Jim
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Jim

And presumably entirely her own choice. Can anyone imagine any film exec in this current atmosphere of female victimhood daring to say ‘Right Luv, make sure your tits are on show on the catwalk so we get maximum publicity for the movie!’? He’d be hung drawn and quartered in an instant. So I think we can safely say if she’d wanted to dress like a polar explorer, she would have, and no-one in the film industry would have dared to say anything about it. At some point women are going to have to decide if they want their role in… Read more »

Robert Clayton
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Robert Clayton

Can’t she afford a coat?

Ducky McDuckface
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Ducky McDuckface

You would have thought that Versace would have found a way to obscure the zip.

Ducky McDuckface
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Ducky McDuckface

“THE OSCAR-WINNING ACTRESS, 27, LOOKED FREEZING IN THE BARELY-THERE DRESS WITH A THIGH-SPLIT IN TEMPERATURES AS LOW AS 3 DEGREES”

I have closely examined the evidence, and she doesn’t look that cold to me.

NDReader
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NDReader

I have closely examined the evidence, and she doesn’t look that cold to me.
Yes, but they made you look, though, didn’t they?

Ducky McDuckface
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Ducky McDuckface

Kinda the point, ain’t it?

Spike
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It is remarkable that complimenting a co-worker can be construed as creating a threatening work environment (inviting government remediation) whereas wearing clown-face and wiggling like a prostitute, in front of co-workers one does not want a relationship with, cannot. The only explanation is Haterz gonna hate.

Jim – Right, and God help you if you don’t want to spend days in the boardroom at all but rearing well-adjusted children.

So Much For Subtlety
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So Much For Subtlety

No sex please, we’re British?

So Much For Subtlety
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So Much For Subtlety

Presumably the complaint is that Ms Lawrence is displaying her sexual attractions rather than the things that women who never get complimented on their mammary glands think are more important. Like her intelligence, wit, you know, her personality. Personally I think that women think in such different ways about such different things that men are not even remotely interested in what they have to say unless sex is in the offing, but then I am not supposed to say that sort of thing in public. Instead I will say that the men are displaying their secondary sexual characteristics too. At… Read more »

Jim
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Jim

And presumably entirely her own choice. Can anyone imagine any film exec in this current atmosphere of female victimhood daring to say ‘Right Luv, make sure your tits are on show on the catwalk so we get maximum publicity for the movie!’? He’d be hung drawn and quartered in an instant. So I think we can safely say if she’d wanted to dress like a polar explorer, she would have, and no-one in the film industry would have dared to say anything about it. At some point women are going to have to decide if they want their role in… Read more »

firefoxx
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firefoxx

I was almost told off at work for making a joke when 2 staff in a team had gone on maternity leave, and I asked the remaining bloke if he was going on maternity leave too. Fucking ridiculous.

Southerner
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The Daily Wail has a sidebar crammed full of women displaying their secondary sexual characteristic and quite often the outline of their primaries too. Hypocrisy much?

In spite of hashtag MeToo I don’t see any move for Hollywood actresses to cover up on the red carpet. In fact the more see-through the better. Hypocrisy much?

Robert Clayton
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Robert Clayton

Can’t she afford a coat?

Ducky McDuckface
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Ducky McDuckface

You would have thought that Versace would have found a way to obscure the zip.

Ducky McDuckface
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Ducky McDuckface

“THE OSCAR-WINNING ACTRESS, 27, LOOKED FREEZING IN THE BARELY-THERE DRESS WITH A THIGH-SPLIT IN TEMPERATURES AS LOW AS 3 DEGREES”

I have closely examined the evidence, and she doesn’t look that cold to me.

NDReader
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NDReader

I have closely examined the evidence, and she doesn’t look that cold to me.
Yes, but they made you look, though, didn’t they?

Ducky McDuckface
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Ducky McDuckface

Kinda the point, ain’t it?

Spike
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It is remarkable that complimenting a co-worker can be construed as creating a threatening work environment (inviting government remediation) whereas wearing clown-face and wiggling like a prostitute, in front of co-workers one does not want a relationship with, cannot. The only explanation is Haterz gonna hate.

Jim – Right, and God help you if you don’t want to spend days in the boardroom at all but rearing well-adjusted children.

Jim
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Jim

Looks like Ms Lawrence is not only rather easy on the eye but isn’t a slave to the offendatrons either:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-43140879

Maybe she’s learned from The Donald, don’t apologise, come out fighting!

firefoxx
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firefoxx

I was almost told off at work for making a joke when 2 staff in a team had gone on maternity leave, and I asked the remaining bloke if he was going on maternity leave too. Fucking ridiculous.

Southerner
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The Daily Wail has a sidebar crammed full of women displaying their secondary sexual characteristic and quite often the outline of their primaries too. Hypocrisy much?

In spite of hashtag MeToo I don’t see any move for Hollywood actresses to cover up on the red carpet. In fact the more see-through the better. Hypocrisy much?

Jim
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Jim

Looks like Ms Lawrence is not only rather easy on the eye but isn’t a slave to the offendatrons either:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-43140879

Maybe she’s learned from The Donald, don’t apologise, come out fighting!

So Much For Subtlety
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So Much For Subtlety

I like the Guardian’s article on Ms Lawrence’s lack of appropriate clothing. It features her in an even skimpier little black dress showing even more of her upfront secondary sexual characteristics.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/feb/21/jennifer-lawrence-dress-response-red-sparrow-photos

So it seems, all evidence aside, even Guardian readers like photos of breasts. How frightfully mediaeval of them.

So Much For Subtlety
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So Much For Subtlety

I like the Guardian’s article on Ms Lawrence’s lack of appropriate clothing. It features her in an even skimpier little black dress showing even more of her upfront secondary sexual characteristics.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/feb/21/jennifer-lawrence-dress-response-red-sparrow-photos

So it seems, all evidence aside, even Guardian readers like photos of breasts. How frightfully mediaeval of them.

Tim the Coder
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Tim the Coder

Did none of these offendotrons bother to find out what the film is about, before signalling their fake outrage? I have yet to see the film, but I have read the book (it’s a good yarn, by the way). A Bolshoi Ballet washout is forcibly reassigned to other duties by the State, broken in by her KGB minders and then worked hard in the defence of the State. And then…to avoid spoilers, I’ll stop here. So an actress who is promoting a film in which she plays a state-owned sex-object does so dressed in character, this is a cause for… Read more »

Tim the Coder
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Tim the Coder

Did none of these offendotrons bother to find out what the film is about, before signalling their fake outrage? I have yet to see the film, but I have read the book (it’s a good yarn, by the way). A Bolshoi Ballet washout is forcibly reassigned to other duties by the State, broken in by her KGB minders and then worked hard in the defence of the State. And then…to avoid spoilers, I’ll stop here. So an actress who is promoting a film in which she plays a state-owned sex-object does so dressed in character, this is a cause for… Read more »