Their powers do tend to expand. Pic credit, Terry, via wikipedia

A useful and basic concept is never allow the bastards to pass laws against them that you wouldn’t want to be used upon you. Because as sure as eggs are bird spawn they will be used upon you and me, given time. That’s one of the slippery slopes which might still be a logical fallacy but a basic fact about reality. If the State, the police, have powers to lock people up without all those court and civil liberty protections then the use of those powers will expand to ever more crimes, ever more people, over time.

That’s one you can bank on:

Police will treat gang members like terrorism suspects if they use YouTube music videos to incite violence on the streets, under new proposals to tackle the soaring murder rates.

The measures, if taken forward in consultation with the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS), will mean officers won’t have to prove that specific videos or social media posts were linked to an act of violence.

Currently, police need evidence to specifically link them to certain crimes.

The move will echo terrorism laws, as under the Terrorism Act the offence of inciting a person to commit an act of terrorism does not need to be linked to a particular attack.

Coming soon, the anti-terrorism laws will be applied to waacism, misogyny and sayingthingsthatwokebaepeopledon’tlike online. Not for any particular reason other than that having gained the power to do so they’ll use it.

The lesson being never allow a law to do to them what you’d not like done to you. Because it will be, it will be.

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  1. Just a comment on the photo, but the British police are the scruffiest bunch of law enforcers in Europe if not the world. Less a police force, more a bunch of disreputable thugs. WTF anyone would have any confidence in them, heaven alone knows.

  2. The George W. Bush era (“If you don’t vote for this bill, the terrorists win”) gave us Peru-style secret anonymous anti-terrorist courts (FISA) that entrenched partisans brought fake facts to, to elicit a warrant to spy on a political candidate. And the National Endowment for the Arts, a Republican notion to promulgate conservative culture at gunpoint, wound up funding crucifixes in urine. Amazing how the Republicans soil themselves and grope for comforting slogans whenever anyone proposes repeal of anything.

  3. Bring it on. An echo of your moat thing yesterday:

    The Liberal Establishment made up of the church, the monarchy, most of the Conservative Party, Lib Dems, the New Labour bits of Labour, academia, the police, lots of useless bits of government (diversity crap, DCMS), EU, UN, the literati and the arts currently rely on a moat which is defended by a large amount of the mainstream media: All of UK television, radio, The Guardian, The Times, The FT.

    The internet, and social media especially are like trebuchets, getting over the moat. They’re spreading new ideas, challenging the orthodoxy. They’re threats to the order. If people start challenging this stuff with new ideas, what happens to the industries around the Liberal Establishment’s favourite subjects like racism, sexism, homophobia, women in sport, public health, EU, UN?

    It’s why someone doing something on YouTube will get convicted of a crime, while someone doing the same on TV or radio isn’t. This stuff isn’t about Dankula. It’s about crushing the new machine. But they can’t go after the likes of Jordan Peterson as that’s obvious censorship. So they pick off easy targets. “do you support the nazis, or do you think this should be banned”? Then they try and squeeze the likes of YouTube and Google.

    The problem is, it isn’t going to work. It’s just too easy to go creating a new “transmitter”. No-one has been able to stop piracy. No-one has been able to stop porn. If the state crushes YouTube, we’ll work around it. We’ll have a new site set up tomorrow somewhere in the world with IP addresses shared around. Unless you shut down everything else about the internet (which would have serious effects on the economy) you can’t stop this. And the more they push, the bigger the eventual swing of the pendulum away from the Liberal Establishment is going to be.