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Calling in from the know nothing side of the economic divide we have Richard Murphy insisting, yet again, upon something that isn’t true. Worse than that he’s insisting upon exactly the opposite of what is true. This isn’t quite the way to get good economic policy suggestions now, is it?

Bizarrely, the whole edifice of capitalism has to be built on trust. In the absence of the perfect information that economists assume exists as the basis for their prescription that markets deliver the optimal allocation of resources within the global economy, trust that the purveyor of any product or service can be relied upon to supply the product as described is essential to the effective operation of markets. Ultimately, it is what we all have to rely upon. That we cannot do so is indicated by the fact that we have so much regulation. But even so, trust remains at the heart of the system. And so pervasive is that requirement that the whole edifice of governance, whether within business, or beyond in greater society is built on the same basis.

We don’t insist that markets require perfect information in order to produce an optimal allocation of assets. That’s to misunderstand how economic models work. Instead, as a simplifying assumption in a simple model we assume perfect information and then concentrate upon other aspects of said model. When we want to study what happens with imperfect information then we change that assumption of perfect to imperfect. Obviously enough really. We vary the structures of a model given the different things we want to use the model to study.

The opposite of leaving markets to do things is of course that government plans them instead. And if we relax our assumption of perfect knowledge then it isn’t that markets then clearly fail, government does not. It’s that both will fail in the absence of perfect knowledge of either the present or the future but which will fail more?

We’ve several possible answers here, one rather persuasive one being historical experience. Those economies which left things to markets to sort out got more right than those that were closely planned like the Soviet ones. We could also come over all philosophical and think that people in markets try at least to make money, in politics they attempt to gain and exercise political power. Which is more or less likely to lead to mistakes?

But the strongest point here is that markets allow a multiplicity of approaches to that uncertainty. Many different people try many different things. This is likely to uncover the “right” reaction to that future than a planned process which brings us just the one manner of doing things. Both face that uncertainty, both systems, which is likelier to get it right, one which produces many answers or the system which produces only one?

For that’s what markets really are, our best system of dealing with the uncertainty of what the future will bring.

There’s also something we can say about trust. Sure, we need to trust those we interact with in the economy. But do we need this more or less when it’s government doing these things? One useful point being that we do all agree that the Scandinavian countries have high trust in government. Largely because they’ve governments which are worthy of that trust. And we should also note that the Scandinavian governments are more free market orientated than our own, either UK or US. Which might well be why they’re more trustworthy, they’ve got that answer to uncertainty correct…..

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Spike
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The free market is not inherently built on trust in the first place. Participants purchase armed enforcement, perform incoming inspection, and engage experts to measure compliance with specification. If untrustworthiness were not redressed, the free market would have more grifters. There is utterly no trust in the free market for illegal drugs, and there are many transactors who bring a gun and aim to leave the rest area with both the cash and the merchandise. The free market persists despite all these obstacles until Murphy’s acolytes arrive, crush it, and replace it with a racket deserving of no trust at… Read more »

bloke in spain
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bloke in spain

Have to disagree with your analysis, there Spike. There’s a subsidiary market that operates in valuing trust itself. Produces discount rates that adjust the price in the main market.
“There is utterly no trust in the free market for illegal drugs”
It’s actually the complete opposite. The illegal drugs market is built on high levels of trust. Only way it can operate, when there’s no means of legal enforcement.

Spike
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If you disagree then you didn’t read carefully. My “The free market is not inherently built on trust” did not mean “there is no trust at all.” I agree, trust is variable and measurement of trust is a service that one can procure.

I reassert that there is no trust in the illegal drug market. I agree that “there’s no means of legal enforcement” but transactors often pack their own. This is one of the “tragedies” of illegal drugs; total lack of information on purity/dosage is another, both caused by the drug laws.

bloke in spain
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bloke in spain

The drugs market, like many illegal activities, depends on trust. The trusted seller gets the better customers, more of them & sells more drugs at a better mark-up. The untrusted seller gets the dregs & has a short working career.
Applies across a great deal of illegal activities. Honesty is a valued commodity.
A successful criminal is probably one of the few people you can trust.

BraveFart
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BraveFart

Anyone want to use this opportunity to wish Professor Richard Murphy Many Happy Returns for his 60th birthday which happens to be today?

Ok, I’ll get me coat……

Felipe Grey
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Felipe Grey

And in the private sector trust relies on for example a car manufacturer testing samples of components delivered by suppliers to the factory. The level of testing (1 in n), depends on the level of trust in the supplier to comply with the design spec historically. That requires no outside regulation or govt involvement.

Southerner
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I buy my beer on taste, probably the only part of the product that isn’t regulated.

Diogenes
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Diogenes

I wish I had perfect information the last time I bought an undercooked burger from a stall in Ely

Chester Draws
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Chester Draws

In my reading of planned economies, the consumer had zero trust in suppliers. Because those suppliers suffered few consequences for poor delivery.

And it’s not free market proponents who argue for more regulation. To accuse free markets of failing because of the barriers their opponents put in the way is ludicrous.

wat dabney
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wat dabney

Ritchie’s not-even-wrong pontifications really are excruciating aren’t they.

Bloke in North Dorset
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Regulations have very little to do with trust:

1. General: Principle or rule (with or without the coercive power of law) employed in controlling, directing, or managing an activity, organization, or system.
2. Law: Rule based on and meant to carry out a specific piece of legislation (such as for the protection of environment). Regulations are enforced usually by a regulatory agency formed or mandated to carry out the purpose or provisions of a legislation. Also called regulatory requirement.
http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/regulation.html

Trust is something that is very difficult to earn and very easy to lose, ask Facebook or Gerald Ratner.

Pcar
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Pcar

@BiS, March 22, 2018 at 8:03 am

Agree. Black-market relies on good old fashioned Common Law – be honest and do no harm.

Reputation is paramount.

Gov’t regulation has arguably made pikey style roof repairs & driveways scams more lucrative as buyers assume Gov’t is protecting them.