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Polly Toynbee is having a very hard time grasping what Brexit is really all about. It’s not that we want – and do recall I was part of this movement, having worked for Ukip, stood for them – to simply take control of the bureaucracy and then allocate the goodies to favour us and our a little more. It’s that leaving means we can do away with the bureaucracy itself and move to better solutions to agreed and admitted problems.

Take this about fishing and quotas. The point is not that British fishermen should gain the quotas, the licences over what they may fish. It’s that British fishermen – or even just some damn fishermen, whoever – should own the fish in order to solve our basic fisheries problem.

There always were and always will be fishing treaties between countries, now more than ever to preserve precarious stocks. Unless navies are to go to war to defend their fishing fleets, there must always be agreements. Fishing treaties existed before Britain joined the EU. Quotas fixed long ago often don’t seem fair now, nor do they preserve stocks well enough. But the EU is only one element: ask Grimsby fishers about friction between English and Scottish rights, as global warming sends cod migrating north. Fish don’t obey treaties.

Here’s the Brexiteers’ dishonesty. Each country is free to share out its national quota as it chooses – but free-market Britain, unlike others, let fishers sell their quotas abroad. The Dutch ship Cornelis Vrolijk, registered in Caterham, owns 23% of the entire UK quota. “Slipper skippers” sold their quotas abroad – it was easier to put their feet up than to fish. Could Gove seize it back post-Brexit? No more than Jeremy Corbyn could seize back rail or energy companies from foreign owners without hefty compensation. It’s not prevented by the EU, but by basic property law.

The correct analysis of this goes all the way back to Garrett Hardin and the Tragedy of the Commons. Shared resources, under Marxian open access rules will, if demand rises above regeneration capability, become exhausted. Yes, sure, it didn’t actually happen to “commons” because a commons was a method of regulation of access. Hardin went on to point out that regulation could be state, socialist in his word, it could be private, capitalist in his word again. Either someone makes a law about who can have access or we make it private property and the owner determines access. Elinor Ostrom went a little further and described how those commons survived – those that did at least. Communal and voluntary restrictions upon access, something that can work up to a grouping of a couple of thousand people, no more.

Note, please, well that Hardin insisted that which works for which resource, well, it depends. Depends upon the details, there is no one size fits all solution here. And we now know very much more about what fits for fisheries.

The private solution, ownership. Fishermen should own fish just as farmers own fields. As opposed to the bureaucratic wrangling which has produced the quota system – which is a short term and only short term ownership in the fish stocks. We want people to have long term ownership in them, you know, actual ownership.

The biggest finding here is that profitable fish stock levels are higher than sustainable. There are costs to going out and finding fish. These are reduced the more fish there are around. When people actually own the fish – systems off Alaska, New Zealand, having shown this – they leave more of the stock to breed for longer so that the stock level rises to the maximally profitable one, again that being higher than the merely sustainable one.

Sure, that still leaves problems with fisheries beyond the 200 mile exclusive economic zones but then that’s something that’s beyond either the EU’s or the UK’s remit, isn’t it?

All of which is rather the point about Brexit. It’s not simply that we want to wrest control of the extant bureaucracy. It’s that we want to ability to destroy it where that makes sense. As with fisheries. The point is not to alter nor repatriate the Common Fisheries Policy it’s to kill it in British waters.

And yes, I do have a little list about what else to kill….