A lovely example of pot calling kettle black here. The idea that no investigations should take place into allegations of voter fraud in the recent US election. Because there’s no evidence, see?
So, bird comes into police station and says she’s been raped. That’s an allegation. Our entire society insists – rightly – that this should be investigated to check and see whether there’s any evidence of the event having happened. Investigation being the process of seeing if there’s any evidence to support an allegation:
The US attorney general, William Barr, has authorized federal prosecutors to begin investigating “substantial allegations” of voter irregularities across the country in a stark break with longstanding practice and despite a lack of evidence of any major fraud having been committed.
Or, if we’d like to restrict ourselves to politics we’ve all those claims – allegations – of Facebook and Russian interference in the Brexit referendum and the last go ’round in the American Presidential Stakes. These were allegations. Allegations prompted by little more than neither result was meant to go that way. Given that the establishment got a bloody nose in both instances the establishment insisted that the process cannot have been kosher. Thus allegations of whatever in order to nullify the result – reset the nose as if nothing had happened.
Lots of investigation took place and certainly in the UK example found no evidence of anything untoward. Because that’s how it’s done. Allegations, investigation into evidence to support such allegations.
As to this current election yes, of course there was fraud out there. There always is. The electoral process leads to some humans having power over others. This is an activity that will engender fraud.
Whether there was enough fraud to make much difference people I trust and respect say probably not, no. The margin was too wide for whatever likely – likely by levels seen before that is – to change the result. I don’t claim to know the details here by the way.
But despite not knowing the details and thus not being able to judge whether there was sufficient fraud to make a difference I can spot a really terrible argument from a mile off.
The Guardian, in common with much of the media, is insisting that there is no need to investigate allegations as there is no evidence. But evidence is the thing found by investigating allegations. Don’t believe me? Tell that to the next bleeding and crying bird that turns up at the police station desk.
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Every Saturday afternoon, when a Premiership football ends up in the net, the VAR review begins. Its purpose is to check that a fair goal has been scored. The US Presidential election is just entering the VAR review phase. There is some evidence of foul play by the apparent scorer. If Mr Biden is an honest politician, he will welcome the opportunity to prove that he won fairly. His supporters should do likewise.
(This comment originally posted on Turbulent Times)
Trying not to get my hopes up, but there is a lot of evidence that cheating on a large scale went on. They have 131 sworn affidavits so far. There is video of poll watchers being illegally blocked. And statistical analysis that shows things that are in the neighborhood of 50 million to 1.
The response is "you can't prove this changed the result so we shouldn't investigate". Umm, how are we supposed to prove it without investigating?
Some argue that "all" the media (excluding those they really hate) say it's over, so it must be.
But I have to wonder, why are they rushing & pushing so hard to get this called over? It does seem desperate. In 2000 AlGore got 37 days to fight the outcome in court. Nobody said it was over, nobody called Bush President-Elect. And, funny thing, for about a month the Hildebeest has been loudly proclaiming that Biden shouldn't concede, under any circumstances. Does the memory hole ever get full?
Yes, the media are stampeding us (and unfortunately, the wobblies Jeb! and Mitt are helping them. Marco Rubio thinks the investigation should continue - but so should the "transition arrangements").
To TD's point below, it is not just "lowlifes" in politics but people who cannot work out what reality is, so they look around to decide what everyone else thinks reality is.
Methinks they do protest too much.
There is an evident rush by the media to embed into the popular mind that Biden unquestionably won the vote legitimately and will be next US President as a matter of fact. If they are so sure why the need? Could it be there is doubt?
It is actually the Electoral College which decides this, not the popular vote, or ultimately as in the case of Bush v Gore, the Supreme Court.
Hunter Biden story but related - look at the reaction of the 'journalist' after the killer quote from the senator at the end: https://gab.com/M2Madness/posts/105089872271545115
If there are politiicans involved there is corruption. That should go without disagreement. An investigation is bound to uncover some. I’m skeptical that enough will be found to change the results in favor of Trump, but by all means investigate. You never know and and it does the country good to fully understand what lowlifes are attracted to a political career.