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From our Swindon correspondent:

From the BBC

£800m should be invested in public transport to help ease traffic jams on the M4, a report has recommended.

A commission was set up after Welsh ministers scrapped plans to build a £1.6bn relief road around Newport.

To encourage people out of their cars, its report suggested considering a “workplace parking levy” and ensuring public transport was “affordable for all”.

The panel was told not to consider plans for another motorway.

The M4 around Newport is the fourth most congested stretch of road in the UK.

I used to work around Cardiff and I sometime visit, and the problem is that the M4 is also the main local road from Newport to Cardiff. People on their way to Swansea get mixed up with local commuting traffic. The best solution is another road. Oh and “the M4 around Newport” is pretty crap, yes, but it’s only a couple of miles.
The problem with public transport is that Cardiff isn’t like London. It isn’t a donut with a load of offices in the centre surrounded by office workers. People work in and around the city. If you have trains into the centre, people then have to stop and change to get to their final destination, and by the time you’ve done all that hassle you might as well just sit in the traffic. If you want to go into the centre of Cardiff from Newport, or Bristol there’s already a cheap train.

And the other problem is that you’re about 9 months behind, laddies. There is no congestion at 8am around Newport at the moment. It’s blue all the way from Bristol to Cardiff. Everyone is working at home during Covid. What happens post-Covid? I don’t know but no-one is gagging to get back to the office every day now. So, put a pin in your choo-choos and see what the situation is like before spending a load of money, yeah?

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Quentin Vole
Quentin Vole
9 months ago

So, put a pin in your choo-choos and see what the situation is like before spending a load of money, yeah?

This eminently sensible message has failed to reach the ears of HS2, currently despoiling the River Misbourne outside Amersham.

Bloke on M4
Bloke on M4
9 months ago
Reply to  Quentin Vole

The Department of Transport and the ORR produce figures saying that season ticket sales are falling, season ticket use is falling, peak crowding is falling. That’s been happening for at least 3 years. But, we need to build a railway because of growth in demand? I think there’s going to be seismic effects on rail post-Covid. Around half the trips are commuting and that means well over half the money. You lose 10-20% of that, things are going to get sticky. Government is going to have to prop up the rail operators until someone comes along with a Beeching 2… Read more »

Addolff
Addolff
9 months ago
Reply to  Bloke on M4

In my Train Operating Company we were told that season ticket sales paid all the costs of running the business and off peak / leisure fares were the profit.

BniC
BniC
9 months ago

I’ll go one further I’ve lived in Newport and worked in Cardiff. The geography means the road over a couple of miles goes from 4 to 2 lanes and back a number of times (bridges/overpasses/tunnels) and is also used locally as part of a ring road around Newport. The M4 also acts like another river through the city causing issues as there are limited crossing points and many are tied to busy junctions. The only practical solution is to build the suggested relief road around the other side of Newport. They did build a new road and bridge to allow… Read more »

Quentin Vole
Quentin Vole
9 months ago
Reply to  BniC

Simple solution: reinstate the transporter bridge. 🙂

BniC
BniC
9 months ago
Reply to  Quentin Vole

Used to enjoy using that, if there wasn’t a queue could be quicker option.
No doubt the council is fed up of maintaining it again and wants it gone

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