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Gun Control in the United States

I firmly believe I have a right guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States to own a gun, rifle or shotgun for purposes of self defence, target shooting or hunting. I am a veteran of the Vietnam war (not a hero–I did not hear shots fired in anger). I have owned guns in the past and am comfortable with the thought that my neighbors might own them.

But I don’t believe at all that I have any right to park an Abrams tank in my driveway or a Humvee with a mounted fifty caliber machine gun. And the problem has nothing to do with the vehicles–it’s the attendant armaments that would scare my neighbors, cops and others.

Somewhere in between those two examples lies a balance that can be struck to guarantee our rights under the Second Amendment to the Constitution and the right to life delineated in its Preamble.

During training and operational exercises I witnessed the deadly power of automatic and semi-automatic rifles similar to the AR15 that has become the weapon of choice for mass shootings. I believe these weapons are on the wrong side of the balance sheet and should not be permitted in a civilian environment.

The Supreme Court of the United States has already ruled that the right to bear arms can be limited, both in terms of the types of guns available to the public and the individuals permitted to own or use them. Now, following a decade of mass shootings by madmen and terrorists (and?) we are engaged in a debate on where those lines should be drawn.

78% of Americans don’t own a gun. Half of the country’s guns are owned by 3% of its people. Most members of the National Rifle Association support strong background checks on all purchases, something that does not exist today.

I believe the limits can be drawn quickly and using common sense using those facts. Background checks for all gun sales, prohibition of gun ownership to convicted felons, convicted domestic abusers (there are shamefully some types of domestic abuse not classified as a felony), withdrawal of semi and automatic rifles from the market and a mandatory buyback of such weapons as are already in private hands.

For those conspiracy theorists fearing that the ‘guvmint’ will come and take their guns, three points:

  1. The background checks could be outsourced to a non-governmental third party–perhaps even the NRA. The government doesn’t have to know who owns the gun. Somebody just needs to cross reference the identity of the prospective purchaser with various databases of felons, abusers, those suffering from mental illness, etc.
  2. We are long past the point where individual firearms can serve as a check on potential government tyranny. The militarization of the various police departments across the country has led to a situation where an individual or a group of individuals stand no chance of opposing even a police department, let alone the country’s military. Conservatives called for–actually demanded–this militarization. The results have left us permanently at the mercy of our armed forces and law enforcement agencies.
  3. It is completely true that such regulation is very unlikely to change the overall statistics on murder and mayhem in the United States. Guns not regulated will be used, as they are today, for most murders and suicides. However, legislation can curb mass shootings, which are a small percentage of the total, but are horrific in both their frequency and effect.

The students of Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School have elevated the gun control issue to national attention (again), but with the marked difference that it is the survivors of the umpteenth mass shooting, not their parents or friends, that are making the case. Marches across the world yesterday support their pleas for common sense gun control.

We who did not march should support them too. They specifically do not call for gun confiscation or registration. They call for common sense controls similar to what I have outlined above.

Australia remains free decades after imposing very strict gun control laws. So does the United Kingdom. So will the United States.

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So Much For Subtlety
So Much For Subtlety
3 years ago

During training and operational exercises I witnessed the deadly power of automatic and semi-automatic rifles similar to the AR15 that has become the weapon of choice for mass shootings. I believe these weapons are on the wrong side of the balance sheet and should not be permitted in a civilian environment. I am not sure the AR-15 is the weapon of choice for mass shootings. How many have they been involved in? Not Sandy Hook. Not the Aurora Theatre where the shooter used a shotgun, a Glock and a S&W. San Bernardino? Not sure. Not the First Baptist Church in… Read more »

Tom Fuller
Tom Fuller
3 years ago

You are incorrect: Adam Lanza stormed Sandy Hook Elementary with a Bushmaster AR-15, laying down more than 150 rounds in less than five minutes and slaughtering 20 first-graders. James Holmes wielded a Smith & Wesson “Military & Police” (M&P) AR-15 fitted with a 100-round drum magazine in his siege of a movie theater that killed 12 and wounded 58. The San Bernardino, California, shooters carried a pair of AR-15s in their ISIS-inspired rampage that left 14 dead. Orlando shooter Omar Mateen deployed Sig Sauer’s concealable “next-generation AR” to murder 49 and injure dozens more at the Pulse nightclub – the… Read more »

Mr Ecks
Mr Ecks
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

Any gun ban is the intro to bans of all. The type of gun is irrelevant bullshit. If all the above happened every single day it would have to go on for several thousand years to reach the total of those murdered by the armed thugs of socialist state in the last 100 years alone. 80 protesters against Maduro shot dead last year in Venezuela with guns handed out by that turd to his socialist thugs. The lefts love of gun control vanishes double-quick when their scum are getting the shooters handed to them. Not to mention all the Antifa… Read more »

Mr Ecks
Mr Ecks
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

QED

So Much For Subtlety
So Much For Subtlety
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

You are incorrect: Adam Lanza stormed Sandy Hook Elementary with a Bushmaster AR-15 As usual I am not incorrect. Lanza used a Bushmaster XM-15 – a gun that looks like an AR-15 but isn’t. The black plastic military look has become very fashionable for a lot of people. James Holmes wielded a Smith & Wesson “Military & Police” (M&P) AR-15 No, he used a shotgun, a Glock and a a Smith & Wesson M&P15 Sport rifle. Not an AR-15 anything. You really don’t know bubkis do you? Orlando shooter Omar Mateen deployed Sig Sauer’s concealable “next-generation AR” to murder 49… Read more »

Jason Lynch
Jason Lynch
3 years ago

In the thriving US civilian firearm community, “AR-15” is shorthand for the whole constellation of weapons derived from Stoner’s original design since the patent (last held by Colt) ran out. http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/tag/ar-15/ There are all-out holy wars about the best combination of upper receiver, lower receiver, trigger group, barrel… (and don’t even start on calibre, or direct-impingement versus short-stroke piston) in order to “build your own AR”. Technically it’s still a Colt’s Manufacturing trademark, but in practice it’s used as a generic term like “Maxim”, “Handley Page” and “Hoover” once were. “While Colt alone makes the official AR-15, variants and knock-offs… Read more »

So Much For Subtlety
So Much For Subtlety
3 years ago
Reply to  Jason Lynch

Don’t *tell* him. Tom is just a concern troll pretending to know something about guns. And I would guess pretending to be a Vet too.

In this situation explaining his mistake only makes him a better concern troll.

Jason Lynch
Jason Lynch
3 years ago
Reply to  Jason Lynch

I’d also throw in the question about whether the explosion in sales of firearms in general and AR-15 pattern rifles in particular after Sandy Hook has produced a corresponding increase in violent mayhem? Doesn’t appear to have done so on casual study…
The biggest risk posed by virtually all the “modern sporting rifle” community is that they’ll bore you to the point of tearing your own ears off about the relative merits of Noveske versus Daniel Defense components…

Gamecock
Gamecock
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

Nikolas Cruz used 10-round magazines.

allthegoodnamesaretaken
allthegoodnamesaretaken
3 years ago

“but with the marked difference that it is the survivors of the umpteenth mass shooting, not their parents or friends, that are making the case.”

And who is pulling their strings?
https://sultanknish.blogspot.co.uk/2018/03/who-runs-march-for-our-lives.html

Tom Fuller
Tom Fuller
3 years ago

I don’t know if you are a bot or just have a bad heart, but that is just crap.

Mr Ecks
Mr Ecks
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

It’s CRAP!!!. Snotnopes and his Mother Jones told him so.

Talk of “bad heart –from a death cult supporter like you FS? Wash the blood off yourself before you talk of other folks “bad hearts” you sanctimonious poltroon.

Mr Ecks
Mr Ecks
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

You write for the Washington Post don’t you?

I ‘m sure I caught your last piece “My Alzheimers and what I dqwbvdqwertyyuu…”

Tim Newman
3 years ago

The reason gun owners are refusing to compromise an inch is because they know their opponents will take a mile, and once one concession has been made they’ll immediately start demanding another. This is how the left work across the entire western world, and gun owners are one of the few who see they are arguing in bad faith, and pretty much alone in refusing to engage with them.

Tom Fuller
Tom Fuller
3 years ago
Reply to  Tim Newman

But large majorities of gun owners support mandatory background checks. It is not gun owners refusing to compromise an inch. It is the NRA and their paid lackeys. There is a big difference.

Mr Ecks
Mr Ecks
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

And you know this how? The background bit that is–the cockrot about the NRA is boilerplate agitprop.

Kyle Higgins
Kyle Higgins
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

Tom, Background checks are already mandatory, the feds just suck at keeping a database updated with all the excluded persons (another $100 million can’t fix that incompetence). The real argument for civilian armament as a deterrent against the tyrannical thirst for more government power over the citizenry is not that the citizens could defeat the military/police if it came down to it. It is more about making the prospect of those enforcing tyrannical overreach greater than it would be with a disarmed citizenry, hence discouraging the average military/police member from enforcing said overreach when they know we may be similarly… Read more »

So Much For Subtlety
So Much For Subtlety
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

The NRA is an association of millions of gun owners. Unlike the astro-turf groups run by Bloomberg and Soros. It pretty much represents gun owners, not dark money.

So no, it is not that gun owners want to compromise. They do not. The Supreme Court tends to side with them these days. After all, if more laws were popular, America would have more laws. They are so unpopular that even the Democrats know better than to touch them.

Spike
3 years ago

Why does every gun-grabber, including Hillary Clinton, need to start out with a statement of our rights under the Second Amendment? Rights that belong to the individual, predate the Constitutional expression of them, and do not require any particular purpose for owning weapons? Because the nature of this con is, “I am one of you. But let’s be reasonable!” “Common-sense” curtailment of the Constitution, by discovering other rights in our founding documents with which to “balance” it. And then you use a list of ways in which unprincipled officials have snipped away at this right to clear the way to… Read more »

Spike
3 years ago
Reply to  Spike

Oops, just saw the by-line. You are not being manipulated, you are joining in the manipulation. The con is “I am one of you” but you are not. I am here because I enjoy Tim Worstall’s ability to cut through the crap in the day’s newspapers – not to read new crap, targeted toward civil readers, from a leftie author who, underneath his last submission, got quite uncivil.

Tom Fuller
Tom Fuller
3 years ago
Reply to  Spike

Oh, okay. Australia and Great Britain are not free. They lost their liberty the same time as they lost their guns. Right.

Ru-bot.

Backing away slowly now…

Mr Ecks
Mr Ecks
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

Backing away slowly now–right up your own lying leftist arsehole.

The UK is a country where a man is likely to be jailed for a bad joke and where imported shite mass rape and molest young girls with leftist granted immunity. The fact that a few pockets of open exchange still exist doesn’t alter the truth.

Southerner
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

Australia, the ultimate nanny state yeah. Free speech is illegal in Great Britain. But continue?

Gamecock
Gamecock
3 years ago

‘However, legislation can curb mass shootings, which are a small percentage of the total, but are horrific in both their frequency and effect.’

And it can curb obesity, too.

Would you be happier little girl if they used IEDs?

‘The students of Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School have elevated the gun control issue to national attention’

They’re just kids; they can’t elevate anything. But your ilk is all too happy to exploit them in their anguish.

The hell with democracy; let’s give control to some high school kids.

Spike
3 years ago
Reply to  Gamecock

Democracy could give control to high-school kids. Some states and cities are toying with giving the local vote to 16-year-olds although 18 is the Constitutional standard for federal elections. Fortunately, we are not a democracy but a republic, in which the Constitution protects citizen rights, explicitly including the right to firearms, from majorities voting for their desired outcomes (no matter how improbable).

Tom Fuller
Tom Fuller
3 years ago
Reply to  Gamecock

Hmm. One Ru-bot insists they are controlled by invisible, malign forces and now another Ru-bot fears that we shall be controlled by… gasp…. children, who (the horror) are gasp…. liberal! And sure, Spiky–I’m sure the bot program requires you to spit out your panic phrase about the right to firearms, no matter how many times your interlocutor says that’s not what they are proposing. All rights under the Constitution are subject to control, ranging from free speech (fire in a crowded theater) to search and seizure. My right to own a gun is equally subject to various controls. So says… Read more »

Mr Ecks
Mr Ecks
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

The kidz are young dumb snot being used by leftscum like you FS. Fuck the Supreme Court and any others who think to disarm. You know very well what this is about. The price of trying to coerce an armed populace is much higher for the scum of the socialistic state than the price of controlling –and murdering should the whim take them–a disarmed one. Arseholes like you–whose cup brims over with plans for the better organising of other peoples lives ( regardless of what those others might want for themselves)– can’t do to people who have the means to… Read more »

Gamecock
Gamecock
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

“ranging from free speech (fire in a crowded theater)”

This is exactly why you are a shit.

If there is a fire in a crowded theater, someone NEEDS to shout, “Fire.” If someone tries to shoot up a school, people need to be prepared to defend the kids.

Your surrender is cowardice.

So Much For Subtlety
So Much For Subtlety
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

hat I would be happy to discuss with someone who isn’t a Russian Idibot is the nature and extent of needed controls.

Except you start out by admitting the controls you want would do nothing to reduce the number of deaths. Nothing.

So the controls are not needed. And you are not debating their nature and their extent. You are virtue signalling. You want to be accepted by all the Right People in the Smart Set. That is all. It is like saying you do not like porn so Hustler ought to be banned. Except that policy makes sense.

NiV
NiV
3 years ago

“You are virtue signalling. You want to be accepted by all the Right People in the Smart Set.” I think this may be where the argument goes wrong. You’re making tribal assumptions about why people believe different things to you. But tribal virtue-signalling is not the only possibility. It may simply be that because the two tribes never communicate (because if anyone from another tribe turns up invective and abuse is hurled at them until they go away), and therefore they don’t know about the same set of arguments, counter-arguments, sources, facts, and so on. If you only watch CNN,… Read more »

So Much For Subtlety
So Much For Subtlety
3 years ago
Reply to  NiV

NiV March 26, 2018 at 11:06 pm I think this may be where the argument goes wrong. You’re making tribal assumptions about why people believe different things to you. Well no, I am not. I read his argument very carefully. The problem is that he admits his reforms – most of which already exist – would do nothing to reduce the gun death rate. As they wouldn’t. So he is not putting forward a good faith argument intended to reduce gun crime. As he himself admits. He is virtue signalling. Your arguments are usually bad and I invariably disagree with… Read more »

NiV
NiV
3 years ago
Reply to  NiV

“The problem is that he admits his reforms – most of which already exist – would do nothing to reduce the gun death rate. As they wouldn’t. So he is not putting forward a good faith argument intended to reduce gun crime. As he himself admits.” Everyone does this. I made exactly the same point recently with regard to the 2.7m Muslims in Britain and the average six deaths per year caused bt terrorism. And yet we repeatedly see Islamic terrorism being cited as a reason to ban Muslims. You can say the same thing about fire alarms and peanut… Read more »

NiV
NiV
3 years ago
Reply to  NiV

“NiV, I am far from convinced that I have lost any of the arguments entered into here.”

Fair point. It’s not over until it’s over. Let’s say, you might not have won *yet* then. 🙂

Not that ‘winning’ is necessarily the point… Question is, was it a good, enjoyable debate?

Mr Ecks
Mr Ecks
3 years ago
Reply to  NiV

Bogus charm and “politeness” are weapons. There can be no compromise with evil no matter how charming the offer to put the noose around your own neck is. FS started the ad homs off with his first response asking about who was “programming” SMFS. Because that is the Russia/Russia/Russia left-loony world he inhabits As for your cod “reasonable” approach NiV –bollocks to it. The world has been far too polite and reasonable to the Death Cult and its stooges for far too long. And the rise of extra-vile shit like Corbin is proof. Let the scum of the left get… Read more »

Mr Ecks
Mr Ecks
3 years ago
Reply to  NiV

And while we are at it those who endorse socialism ARE endorsing the murders of 150 million. Something that you NiV comment on as “boring”. While boo hooing about Desperate Dans in Drag suffering ribald remarks. And endless claims about supposed daily beatings that exist only in your own brainpan. Leesee–brutal mass murders plus torture, false imprisonment for decades and the total exercise of absolute tyranny over hundreds of millions VS ribald remarks and an occasional unfortunate yet non-fatal assault from the uncouth. Naw–you’re right NiV –who gives a shit about murders. I don’t give a rat’s arse what assorted… Read more »

Mr Ecks
Mr Ecks
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

We would have to be fools indeed to concern ourselves with the “intuition” of death cultists.

Your “intuition” can’t even warn you of what an evil crock socialism is. You are free and welcome to ruin your own life on such a basis.

Not everybody else’s.

Tommydog
Tommydog
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

The does seem to be the crux of the debate isn’t it? is it worth taking steps to limit the means by which some whacko can inflict a large number of casualties in a mass shooting when mass shooting victims are a relatively small number of total shooting victims? There does seem to be some disagreement about that, though I suspect the screw has finally turned. I guess time will tell.

So Much For Subtlety
So Much For Subtlety
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

I want to separate mass shootings from other types of homicide. I concede that removing automatic and semi automatic weapons will not impact run of the mill homicides. So you are ignoring the 30,000 deaths a year in favour of the 18 or so caused by “assault rifles”? By the way, the category “semi-automatic” is huge and would include most guns sold in the US. There are some automatic weapons on sale in the US but their involvement in crime is trivial. You would probably have to go back to the 60s to find a crime committed with one. Which… Read more »

Gamecock
Gamecock
3 years ago

‘Australia remains free decades after imposing very strict gun control laws.’

Free from responsibility.

Australia is naked. Depending on the U.S. and Britain for protection. Obama would not have lifted a finger to help your white asses if China invaded. Britain is becoming too weak to help.

I can see India and China partitioning Australia in my lifetime. Only question is will they do it N-S or E-W.

Enjoy your decadence, Tom Fuller. It will be your demise.

Tom Fuller
Tom Fuller
3 years ago
Reply to  Gamecock

As someone who served alongside Australians, I can only say you’re another Russian IDIbot.

Mr Ecks
Mr Ecks
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

I served alongside Aussies
You are a BOT,BOT,BOT etc

You want to fill in the missing pieces of that syllogism Digger?

Served –in a brothel?

Gamecock
Gamecock
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

“As someone who served alongside Australians”

Another declaration of orthodoxy.

And what’s this Russian shit?

Gamecock
Gamecock
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

You’re really not getting the existential catastrophe for Australia that gun control is.

India and China have 2.7 billion people. Australia sits down there with immense land available. You have a nominal military, and a disarmed citizenry.

You are naked. As naked as Pearl Harbor in 1941. Another Obama in the U.S., a pacifist in the UK, and you are dead. Seriously, completely, permanently dead.

Gamecock
Gamecock
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

Because the invasion hasn’t started yet.

You are on borrowed time. Enjoy life, you’ve got maybe tens years left.

Gamecock
Gamecock
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

NO. A carry melted Colt Lightweight Commander in .38 Super hides under my bed.

And it will stay there when Australia is invaded. You are on your own. Got a pitchfork? Good luck! The other guys will have guns.

Mr Ecks
Mr Ecks
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

Whether or not the Chinese try their luck Aus is an increasingly soyboy leftist shithole with sunshine. Much like Kalifornia.

Be it the Chicoms or their own political scum the inhabitants of Aus will have a future kissing the arse of their masters. And increasing poverty and collapse as the scum of statism and socialism fuck their lives up.

But–so long as they can’t fight back–what do leftscum care.

Mr Ecks
Mr Ecks
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

While you suck on trash like the WAPO. Or the NYT–telling lies on behalf of socialist tyranny since 1933.

The lying leftist scum of the Earth accusing everybody else of being liars.

Mr Ecks
Mr Ecks
3 years ago

So Fuller-Shit is the new clickbait editor is he Tim? Listen up Tomo. Gun control is what has enabled scum who spew the same creed as you to murder 150 million people and ruin the lives , hopes and potential of hundreds of millions of others. In a decent society gun control freakery would bring T&S charges and some time for types like you in the glass house. Where you would get a very clear and direct lesson on what it is like to desperately need an effective means of self protection and be denied one. Something that decent law-abiding… Read more »

Tom Fuller
Tom Fuller
3 years ago
Reply to  Mr Ecks

Ru-bot, Ru-bot. Boring…

Mr Ecks
Mr Ecks
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

Remember to thank NiV for your inspiration parasite. You can’t even think up your own comebacks.

Tom Fuller
Tom Fuller
3 years ago
Reply to  Mr Ecks

Ah–NiV noticed your programmatic tendencies first? He does seem like a clever fellow. Perhaps great minds just think alike. But at least we think, Rubot.

Mr Ecks
Mr Ecks
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

The blog is smeared with your thought processes FS. A veritable dirty blanket protest of the mind it is.

NiV –as tiresome as his SJW got-at mindset is on some matters– is generally sound on libertarian matters that don’t involve the left’s boo hoo client groups. So not likely a pal of your people-control plans. I can’t–nor would I want to–speak for him but it seems likely so.

NiV
NiV
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

Wow! I think that’s the nicest thing I can recall you’ve ever said about me! Thanks! Regarding Tom’s view on gun control, you are correct that I don’t agree with him, for a lot of the same reasons others have cited. My favourite argument along those lines is that if politicians think eliminating guns is such a great idea, they ought to start with the government. Have the police and all those secret service guys standing around the politicians disarm first, wait a year or so to see how that works out, and if people still think it helps maybe… Read more »

Tommydog
Tommydog
3 years ago

It’s an interesting debate. It is true that murder rates have fallen greatly since they peaked in the early ’90s, and are now about where they were in the early ’60s. Some portion of that, however, is attributable to greatly improved advances in trauma treatment and the proliferation of cell phones (a shot person or witness does not need to hunt for a pay phone and then hope they have some coins any longer). But I’ll acknowledge that the US for most Americans is probably about as safe as it was 60 years ago. That’s not to say that there… Read more »

Spike
3 years ago
Reply to  Tommydog

That is true; the would-be murderer is not as sure he can kill, and is not as sure he can survive the encounter. Massacres are indeed “horrific,” schoolyard massacres more so, and kennel massacres much more so and does everyone know how much I loooove puppies? The key is that we have no right to freedom from horror, and Having a Nice Day is not one of the functions of government. Accepting your figure that 78% of Americans don’t own a gun, it is never necessary that everyone own a gun – just that every would-be killer worries about it.… Read more »

Tommydog
Tommydog
3 years ago
Reply to  Spike

I grew up in a rural area and spent much of my youth in the woods with gun in hand. I’ve a couple of bolt action rides and a double barreled shotgun that I’ve had since I was young. So, while I don’t hunt much any more I’ve been reluctant to sell the guns. I understand the attraction. I also grew up in an era when not a lot of people hunted with semiautos and were sometimes regarded with a bit of disdain by the old timers with their bolt and lever actions. I’ve nothing against bolt, lever and pump… Read more »

Mr Ecks
Mr Ecks
3 years ago
Reply to  Tommydog

Republic not a democracy. Limits on state power. Remember those?

And the losing battle is against general tyranny. Gun control is only the symptom.

And you only like guns that are the least use against said state’s goons. Hot diggity.

Tommydog
Tommydog
3 years ago
Reply to  Mr Ecks

“And you only like guns that are the least use against said state’s goons. Hot diggity.”

Yeah, that’s true. While I take the point the third world guerrilla fighters have given modern armies conniptions, these fighters are often young. A bunch of 60 year olds might not be as effective.

I also doubt that it’s a winning argument to pull the almost 4/5ths of Americans who don’t own a gun over to your side, but hey, have at it.

So Much For Subtlety
So Much For Subtlety
3 years ago
Reply to  Mr Ecks

I like the effort to smear everyone who supports gun rights as being old. Classy. But while 4/5ths of Americans may not own a gun, in the same way a lot more of them do not own Playboy magazine, that does not mean they do not support gun rights – the 2nd as well as the 1st Amendment.

More gun control is a dead issue in America because it is not popular. That is why people like Bloomberg have to cynically exploit these children.

Tom Fuller
Tom Fuller
3 years ago
Reply to  Tommydog

Another factor in the very real decline in murder rates is our recovery from long term lead poisoning. The correlation between environmental exposure to lead and violent crime is startling. It is well-chronicled by Kevin Drum over at Mother Jones, a publication I cite only to annoy some of the commenters here. 🙂

Mr Ecks
Mr Ecks
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

Glad you have an sound assessment of their level of accuracy and truth Tommyboy. Grade Z leftist cockrot. Although you certainly deserve an acute case of lead poisoning. Preferably at the hands of a illegal alien criminal with an illegal gun he got from Eric Holder.

As for nuisance value–you’re the cunt who wastes his life reading their under-recycled toilet paper not us.

If its going to be bot,bot,bot next I’ll go and make some tea.

Tom Fuller
Tom Fuller
3 years ago
Reply to  Mr Ecks

Mr. Ecks, you write like a bot–why on earth would I treat you like something else? You do not engage with what I or others write. You just paste in crap copied from bot sites and throw in mindless insults.

You act like a Ru-bot. So to me, Ru-bot you will be.

Have a nice cup of tea.

Mr Ecks
Mr Ecks
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

What you mean by “engaged with” is “agree with”.

Your “arguments” have been demolished several times over. SMFS did the work of demolishing your bollocks right at the start. But you have no others beyond boilerplate Party-of-Slavery-and-The-Klan rhetoric.

You answered the one point about what weapons were used–in a FEW–of the killingS and then started talking about his “programmers”. Cos that is all you have leftist–lies and bullshit.

So Much For Subtlety
So Much For Subtlety
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

There isn’t such a strong correlation between lead and crime as it happens. But I do like it when Liberals admit that Blacks have massively higher crime rates. Something they usually call racism. But they do. So the only way to admit it is to argue for an external cause – lead. You can’t argue that it is genetics or culture or even that locking people up works. That is all racism. But you can blame the Man for the lead and demand a massive government programme of new housing in order to reduce crime. Steve Sailor has written on… Read more »

Mr Ecks
Mr Ecks
3 years ago

You are another US gun control stooge Tommydog. Indeed your appearances over here started with the last gun control piece back on the blog. As an astroturfer who used to shoot ..whatever.. but-who-is-now-slowly-seeing -the-light etc, etc. Quite a common lefttroll tactic. The demographics are changing. Americans are giving way to imports from assorted police states who are used to kissing the arse of tyranny but pleasantly surprised to be handed hard-working peoples money as well. Oh yeah–you bet they will crawl to their new paymasters. And America can become a lefitst shithole like any other. A couple more brazen false… Read more »

Tom Fuller
Tom Fuller
3 years ago
Reply to  Mr Ecks

Ru-bot, Ru-bot.

Mr Ecks
Mr Ecks
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

At least you are moronic in short compass Tomo.

Southerner
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

All the ad homs are a last-resort admission that you have lost the argument. I’ve run across you somewhere else, possibly the old lukewarmist page? and remember you as a reasonable person. Some of your replies here are also eminently reasonable, but ru-bot, ru-bot is just plain childish. Get a grip.

NiV
NiV
3 years ago
Reply to  Southerner

“All the ad homs are a last-resort admission that you have lost the argument.”

All the ad homs are a direct response to Ecksy’s ad homs. You can’t have it both ways. Either ‘ad hominem abusive’ (as used by Ecks and others) is a legitimate mode of argument here, or it isn’t.

NiV
NiV
3 years ago
Reply to  NiV

Yes, that’s me.

Mr Ecks
Mr Ecks
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

Whereas your cheese strings of SJW clichés are closely reasoned argument.

As far as you know.

Tommydog
Tommydog
3 years ago
Reply to  Mr Ecks

Actually, I posted a number of times on Mr Worstall’s blog going back a few years into his Forbes days. I’m probably one of the most conservative economic commenters here, hence why I enjoy Worstall’s sites so much.

Tom Fuller
Tom Fuller
3 years ago
Reply to  Tommydog

Hi Tommydog, me too. I have been reading Tim’s other blog for a long time. That’s why I asked if I could contribute here.

Mr Ecks
Mr Ecks
3 years ago

Gun control only “conserves” the thuggish and evil power of the state. Which is why leftist pricks like Fuller-shite love it. If you claim to be a conservative you should know better. Your piece sounded full of approval for the scum of the state being the only one with guns.

Tom Fuller
Tom Fuller
3 years ago
Reply to  Mr Ecks

Here is the C++ code for shutting down a Ru-Bot:

#include
#include
#include
using namespace std;

int main(int argc, char *argv[])
{
system(“color B2”);
cout<<"****** Enter a number to do shown below ******"<<endl;
cout<<"1= shut down all programs running now"<<endl;
cout<<"2= Restart the computer"<<endl;
cout<<"3= Shutdown the computer"<>x;
for(;;){
if(x==1){ system(“shutdown -f”); }
break;
if(x==2){ system(“shutdown -r”); }
break;
if(x==3){ system(“shutdown -s”); }
break;
if(x==51){ system(“shutdown -s -t 1”); }

else { cout<<"enter again"; }
}

system("pause");

Mr Ecks
Mr Ecks
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

Once again your powers of argument just leave the reader stunned. Aristotle himself could not follow or stand against such brilliant refutation.

Lurker
Lurker
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

My C is a little rusty but isnt cout<<"3= Shutdown the computer"x; a syntax error? You need a call to cin. Also your code wouldnt work unless 1 was entered. The break statements would exit the for loop but are not within the ‘if’ block therefore if x=1 system(“shutdown -f”); will run but the next instruction will always be break and so the other options are not available. Personally I would have gone with a switch statement to make the conditions clearer, a default instead of the else (which only applies to the very last if for some reason) and… Read more »

Quentin Vole
Quentin Vole
3 years ago

It’s always pleasing when the author responds to criticism in the comments. But when the response is, in every case, a one-word chant of ‘ru-bot’, one begins to fear for their sanity …

Mr Ecks
Mr Ecks
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

But only by his definition of “human”. That is –those who agree with him.

Wheelz
Wheelz
3 years ago

From his comments here, I don’t think that Fuller understands the NRA, why they are effective and why they usually win. There are no paid NRA lackeys. They don’t contribute anything to political campaigns. Instead, they spend all their money on get out the vote activities and advertising against candidates via PACs. They are incredibly effective at getting out the vote and are likely the reason Trump won. The reason that people vote with the NRA even though they are individually OK with limited gun controls is the same reason liberal vote with Planned Parenthood against any limits on abortion,… Read more »

Mr Ecks
Mr Ecks
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

And to complete the fun Twatty is back on the job.

And his C&P is still more original than FS boilerplate leftspeak.

Gamecock
Gamecock
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

It’s great how the NRA can spend so little money and get such great results!

Mr Ecks
Mr Ecks
3 years ago

“I firmly believe I have a right guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States to own a gun, rifle or shotgun for purposes of self defence, target shooting or hunting. I am a veteran of the Vietnam war (not a hero–I did not hear shots fired in anger). I have owned guns in the past and am comfortable with the thought that my neighbors might own them.” So he starts off with classic Astroturfing bullshit. “I am one of you –I support you–I’ve carried a gun for the Murderous State–I USED to own them”. He seeks to portray himself… Read more »

Mr Ecks
Mr Ecks
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

And you have no answer for a single one of the points I made.

You shout about “engagement” but when I fisk your crap its back to childish bollocks and BOT/BOT/BOT.

You should have been christened Violet Elizabeth not Tommy.

Pcar
Pcar
3 years ago

@So Much For Subtlety, March 26, 2018 at 9:26 am

+1

Good post.

.
Then:
@Tom Fuller March 26, 2018 at 4:09 pm

As for the rest of your comment, tell your programmer that using the name Soros is a bit of a hint to human readers.

First reply and you can’t restrain yourself and instantly resort to ad hominem attack & insults.

Revealing your weaknesses once again. Well done.

Bongo
Bongo
3 years ago

I’d be curious to know if Cliven Bundy was armed with semi-automatics and above in his standoff with the BLM. The wiki article doesn’t say. It seems to me that he successfully scared the agents of the State enough to make them stand down, so he did his bit to limit the power of the State. Would also be curious to know if anyone in SWI is seriously concerned that the State will abuse its power, and if they permit semi-automatics. In general though I agree with Tom’s premise, that there are already limits as to what private citizens can… Read more »

So Much For Subtlety
So Much For Subtlety
3 years ago
Reply to  Bongo

You can legally own a tank. In the US and the UK. Rightly so. When was the last time a privately owned tank hurt anyone?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4404096/Military-buffs-discover-five-gold-bars-Iraqi-tank.html

And the problem is that the limits that this thread want drawn as drawn as part of the Culture Wars, not a genuine, good faith effort at saving lives. As he starts out admitting, these restrictions would have no impact on gun deaths at all.

PJF
PJF
3 years ago

“For those conspiracy theorists fearing that the ‘guvmint’ will come and take their guns…” It’s hardly the stuff of “conspiracy theory”. In 1996, a mass shooting at a school in Scotland resulted in the deaths 16 young children and one teacher (15 others wounded). The killer had two pistols and two revolvers, i.e. handguns. In 1997, the UK government (Conservative then Labour) banned all handguns from private ownership in England, Scotland and Wales. The government came and took the guns. If a ban on semi-automatic rifles was passed in the US, and worked as intended, then the next (then the… Read more »

Mr Ecks
Mr Ecks
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

One third of the population and –despite imports–no black majority cities controlled by black leftists for 50 years. Whose population of decent black people suffer the most from scummy black criminals manufactured by destructive and chaotic lifestyles caused by leftist welfare and handout programs. Plus drug prohibitions and other political nitwit schemes.

Sans those America is more peaceful than most of Europe and vastly more peaceful than third world shitholes..

Mr Ecks
Mr Ecks
3 years ago
Reply to  Mr Ecks

And you have been told several times that the UK is no longer a free country and have been given examples as to why. But you simply ignore all points you can’t cope with and go back to your bot bollocks.

PJF
PJF
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

Not free to own hand guns, Tom. Which was the point of my comment. The government came and took the peoples’ guns, and won’t let them have them any more.

No conspiracy theory held by imagined deplorables who say “guvmint” (ad hom, much?); just a cold, hard fact.

Mr Ecks
Mr Ecks
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

And millions of victims of socialism all across the planet have been killed by vast numbers of guns in the hands of state scum which is exactly where you want them.

PJF
PJF
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

Not sure why this statistic is connected to my comment, Tom. But, nevertheless, it likely means that 4 of the 10 deadliest mass shootings were carried out with handguns. If you successfully confiscate semi-auto rifles, then 10 out of the 10 subsequent deadliest mass shootings will likely be carried out with handguns.

Given your statement about the higher order of the right to life of any potential victims, what will be your next move?

Mr Ecks
Mr Ecks
3 years ago
Reply to  PJF

His next move is well known ” Oh Dear–that didn’t work. We’ll have to have them all then –sorry”

Time for ALL gun regulations to be dissolved and active measures toi be taken against the gun-control gang.

1st A gives them the right to speak. One inch beyond that–lobbying., snot-nose marxches ( I tapped the X by accident –but it seems an appropriate comment in itself so I ‘ve left it)etc –then jail time needs to beckon. Because it is high time that arrogant leftists got a taste of the hammer they are so keen to use on others.

Gamecock
Gamecock
3 years ago

‘Australia remains free decades after imposing very strict gun control laws. So does the United Kingdom. So will the United States.’ The 2nd Amendment exists because having a gun is not just a right, it is a duty. The right must be preserved because a well regulated militia is necessary for the security of the state. You, as a citizen, are expected to be armed, ready to come to the aid of your family, your community, your state. You are not prepared to come to the aid of your family, your community, nor your state. You are a shirker. A… Read more »

Gamecock
Gamecock
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

Don’t expect me and America to come save you. You aren’t worthy.

You must now guess whether to learn Chinese or Hindi. I’d recommend Hindi – if the Chinese win, they are going to kill you. The Indians, having some latent British culture, probably won’t kill you.

Enjoy what’s left of your miserable life.

Mr Ecks
Mr Ecks
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

As with many evildoers the milk and apples of life often arrive on the plate of leftists.

Killery and her other half spring to mind along with Turdy Kennedy and the Pipecleanerman as scum who have had very nice lives, thieving from and lording it over others up to and including getting away with murder. Literally murder not as in your Trump is literally …cockrot.

Your little leftist adventure is about to turn sour on you FS. Because your Elite owners march to power and tinpot tyranny is all washed up.

Mr Ecks
Mr Ecks
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

To quote the great John Cooper Clarke: “Can’t hear you mate–your gobs full of shite”.

Randolph
Randolph
3 years ago

Tom,

Labelling anyone you disagree with as a “bot” simply makes you look inadequate. (Hint: most people are smart enough not to engage with stuff they can’t handle or is going to be too involved for them?)

Your first response to SMFS (after the first paragraph) was just pathetic.

Tom Fuller
Tom Fuller
3 years ago
Reply to  Randolph

Sadly, Randolph, I suffer from delusions of adequacy. If it looks like a bot, sounds like a bot, waddles like a bot, I’m gonna call it a bot.

Mr Ecks
Mr Ecks
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

“delusions of adequacy”

Keep showing up here. You’ll be cured.

Randolph
Randolph
3 years ago

“78% of Americans don’t own a gun.”

This in interesting. On the basis that most women wouldn’t and most kids shouldn’t, are we in fact dealing with a much higher ordinary percentage?

Mr Ecks
Mr Ecks
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

An average of 100000 people save their own lives through gun ownership and the mere threat display of the firepower.

But submission to leftist orders is much more important than the lives of nobodies.

Esp if those nobodies are decent black folk living in black leftist controlled crime-zone shithole cities who live with the reality of gun control under the rule of well-guarded leftist scum.

Tom Fuller
Tom Fuller
3 years ago
Reply to  Mr Ecks

“There is far more research on the question of who is most likely to get killed when someone keeps a gun at home. In a 1986 study called “Protection or Peril?,” Dr. Arthur Kellermann, a University of Tennessee professor of medicine, and Dr. Donald Reay, chief medical examiner of King County in Washington, concluded that for each defensive, justifiable homicide there were 43 murders, suicides or accidental deaths. Out of 398 gunshot fatalities in homes in King County between 1978 and 1983, only nine were motivated by self- defense. The one-week survey by TIME found a similar ratio on a… Read more »

So Much For Subtlety
So Much For Subtlety
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

This is missing the point. Most criminals do not want to die. So most defensive uses of guns do not involve a justifiable shooting. Or any other sort of shooting. They involve pulling out a gun and the perp running away. There are millions of such incidents every year. “The one-week survey by TIME found a similar ratio on a national basis: only 14 of the 464 gun deaths resulted from defensive firing. An alarming 216 were suicides, 22 were accidental, and many of the rest involved homicides among people who knew each other well rather than citizens gunned down… Read more »

Randolph
Randolph
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

Tom,

Re your 60/40 – does this help at all? It suggests perhaps a slightly higher percentage of men:

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2017/06/22/the-demographics-of-gun-ownership/

And also suggests that 58% of all rural households own a gun.

Is there some good data at all for SMFS’s catchy assertion above: “The facts are simple – America does not have a gun crime problem. It has a Democrat voter problem. Democrat voters shoot other Democrat voters. Mainly with illegal handguns.”

It’s very C/P-able, if there was data to back it up…

Randolph
Randolph
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

Tom,

In the UK, we don’t usually mean affiliation (or “party membership”?) when we say voters (and SMFS is using UK terminology).

But I think you nail it with the other possible reasons / associations. I guess I was curious as to what the raw data actually showed, but if that’s hard to come by, sure, I understand.

So Much For Subtlety
So Much For Subtlety
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

Actually I specifically said “It has a Democrat voter problem. Democrat voters shoot other Democrat voters. Mainly with illegal handguns. But because imprisoning Democrat voters is something the Democrats are loathe to do, they do not talk about Democrat gun crime.” Yes, gun crime is almost entirely committed by minorities and those minorities largely kill other minorities. Something that the Democratic party and all its Useful Idiots are entirely silent about. As you show here. Instead of doing something about “assault rifles” which are only used by rural Whites to kill deer and are utterly harmless, reform needs to concentrate… Read more »

Mr Ecks
Mr Ecks
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

The inequality here is your inability to do more than quote leftist bullshit and then refuse to talk to “bots” that you have no answer for. You do however repeat the truth despite yourself. That America’s major source of violent crime is black welfare induced criminals ( caused by leftist scum handing out other peoples money to the feckless and downright no goods to counter “inequality”-more socialist wank) violently preying on other blacks in shitholes ruined by 50 years of black leftist rule. Washington/Detroit/ Chicago/ New Orleans and worst of the lot Baltimore where even the bluebottles have given up… Read more »

So Much For Subtlety
So Much For Subtlety
3 years ago
Reply to  Randolph

Yes there is good data. Crime in America is highly concentrated. In a few counties: https://crimeresearch.org/2017/04/number-murders-county-54-us-counties-2014-zero-murders-69-1-murder/ The United States can really be divided up into three types of places. Places where there are no murders, places where there are a few murders, and places where murders are very common. In 2014, the most recent year that a county level breakdown is available, 54% of counties (with 11% of the population) have no murders. 69% of counties have no more than one murder, and about 20% of the population. These counties account for only 4% of all murders in the country.… Read more »

So Much For Subtlety
So Much For Subtlety
3 years ago

As you continue to make clear when you refuse to point out what justification for trying to disarm those nice deer-shooting Republican voting rural Whites. Why?

Why are you so threatened by some farmers holding on to pieces of metal that do no harm to anyone? While ignoring large numbers of Black men who are making a very small number of streets run with blood every weekend?

What is that but specious virtue signalling?

Mr Ecks
Mr Ecks
3 years ago

Because he and his leftist pals can’t do to a well-armed population what they can do much more easily to a disarmed one.

That is ALL gun control is EVER about. People control.

Mr Ecks
Mr Ecks
3 years ago

And you propose all the above crap knowing that it is a halfway house to full confiscation. Knowing and not caring that it would have zero effect on the actions of state-drugged madmen. Not caring because your agenda is one of assisting your fellow leftscum in the control of the population. Particularly sickening is the fact that most of these nutters are the products of welfarism and social damage created by the left’s antics in the first place. Defensive wars cannot be won. Decent Americans need to start going after the gun-control gang. 1A lets them say what they like.… Read more »

PJF
PJF
3 years ago

“Limitations, not confiscation.” From the main article: “…withdrawal of semi and automatic rifles from the market and a mandatory buyback of such weapons as are already in private hands.” That’s confiscation right there. And in the comment thread: “Semi automatic weapons should not be in the hands of civilians, regardless of the manufacturer.” That is essentially all modern guns, including handguns, removed from civilian ownership. Confiscation. “I do so because the right to life of children, attendees of country music concerts and nightclubs is of a higher order than an unlimited right to bear arms.” The highest law in the… Read more »

PJF
PJF
3 years ago

Mr Ecks:
“But attempts to organise, to lobby to pull stunts like the snot nose march etc needs to get them jail time.”

Eh? Supporting a cause by organising, lobbying and holding publicity stunts fronted by children are perfectly healthy expression in a free society. The 1st Amendment of USC exists to codify that the state should not imprison those engaged in such expression, and the 2nd Amendment exists to enable the people to shoot the state bastards if they try.

In other words, don’t be a twat, Ecks.

Mr Ecks
Mr Ecks
3 years ago

Expressing your opinion is one thing. Speaking your mind is one thing. The whole gamut of leftist agitprop bullshit is something else. A co-ordinated message of leftist lies and evil thro’ every media and every possible trick of deceit is something else. Be very clear –with the lying leftist media and a lying leftist establishment working together the US constitution will soon be toilet paper . Obama tried to wipe his scrawny arse on it and very nearly succeeded. So unless the good guys start fighting back than everything goes down the bog. In other works , don’t be a… Read more »

Dennis the Peasant
Dennis the Peasant
3 years ago

Timmy – I don’t know where you found this fool, but the unfortunate fact is that he doesn’t understand the subject at hand. It appears you’ve landed the Richard Murphy of firearms. As I said, that’s unfortunate. Tom – The fact that an “AR-15” was used in various shootings is irrelevant. The AR-15 is a semi-automatic rifle. It is no more capable or lethal than most other semi-automatic rifles. The only real difference between the .223 AR-15 used at Sandy Hook and, say, a .223 Ruger Mini 14 is looks (and popularity). The rates of fire and ammunition capacity are,… Read more »

Dennis the Peasant
Dennis the Peasant
3 years ago

“During training and operational exercises I witnessed the deadly power of automatic and semi-automatic rifles similar to the AR15 that has become the weapon of choice for mass shootings.” I can pull out my Ruger Single 10, and with use of speed loaders, sustain a relatively high rate of fire of 22lr with a revolver. Smith & Wesson, Ruger and Taurus (there may be others) manufacture 8 shot revolvers chambered in .357. Again, with the use of speed loaders, you can lay down a high rate of fire. Revolvers will never allow you the rate of fire of a semi-automatic,… Read more »

Dennis the Peasant
Dennis the Peasant
3 years ago

“Most members of the National Rifle Association support strong background checks on all purchases, something that does not exist today.”

An unsupported claim. Please explain, in detail, why you feel the present background check system is inadequate. What would you propose (again, in detail) to make it “strong”? For example, what would you add to the Form 4473? Are there other databases beyond the NCIS, NCIC and III that should be utilized? What are the shortcomings of three databases in use?

So Much For Subtlety
So Much For Subtlety
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

I love that you cite Polifact who refer to a poll of all of 169 NRA members – run by a highly political gun control group – as if it was a fact.

Amazing.

So Much For Subtlety
So Much For Subtlety
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

I didn’t. I pointed out that they were carried about by a highly political gun control group. Which Polifact is not. Liars, yes, partisan liars, even. But they do not do research.

Dennis the Peasant
Dennis the Peasant
3 years ago

“I do.”

Really? You don’t let on.

Dennis the Peasant
Dennis the Peasant
3 years ago

I thought I was clear, but evidently not. I was challenging you to detail what you would do to strengthen background checks over the present system. Color me less than surprised that you didn’t bother to offer any sort of concrete suggestions.

Tom Fuller
Tom Fuller
3 years ago

I’ll just color you blank, like your mind. TypicalBot discord.js online TypicalBot is an easy-to-use bot with commands that can be used for moderation, fun, and music! Owner(s): HyperCoder#2975 Prefix: $ From the weblog ‘A Guy With A Gun’: (http://www.upworthy.com/5-easy-common-sense-ways-to-fix-gun-control-and-the-2-reasons-why-theyll-never-happen) Enhance mandatory background check requirements and standardize them across all states, including for private sales. This is something people have been demanding for a while now, and there’s no reason it shouldn’t be able to happen.But if we were to actually standardize and adhere to the bare minimum ATF background check that’s currently on the books, anyone with a history… Read more »

Dennis the Peasant
Dennis the Peasant
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

Cutting and pasting someone else’s lightweight suggestions isn’t what I asked for. I asked you some very specific questions regarding the present system, including suggestions regarding the 3 databases presently used in the system, as well as the 4473. So the real answer is simply that you don’t know.

Another Murphyism… Referring to someone’s else’s work to cover the fact that you haven’t done the appropriate amount of work to discuss an issue in an informed manner

Dennis the Peasant
Dennis the Peasant
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

“I can’t be bothered with your questions, as they are beneath my gigantic intellect.”

Another Murphyism.

Mr Ecks
Mr Ecks
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

He’d be better off with yours.

She obviously indulges overgrown and near senile ( says he was in Vietnam–what’s the line? “I was in Junior High Dickhead”) SJWs to the point of tomfoolery.

Dennis the Peasant
Dennis the Peasant
3 years ago

“Dennis, you can swear at me, call me ignorant, throw mud at me–but don’t compare me to that twat.”

Well, then do better than that twat.

Dennis the Peasant
Dennis the Peasant
3 years ago

“78% of Americans don’t own a gun.”

A perfect example of a Murphyism. That isn’t 78% of the population that is legally entitled to own a gun, it’s 78% of the entire population… You know, everyone from three week old infants and prisoners sitting on Death Row.

Under the circumstances why wouldn’t I compare you to Richard Murphy?

Dennis the Peasant
Dennis the Peasant
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

Being caught on your bullshit is annoying. But don’t worry, you’ll get used to it.

Randolph
Randolph
3 years ago

NiV “I’ve not checked every instance, but I think the reason you have the impression he was impolite to everyone is that nearly everyone was impolite to him.” I think the tone for the thread was set with the very first response! SMFS was perfectly civil, engaged thoroughly, and was pointlessly dismissed with a puerile reference to his “programmer”? And no matter how Ecks and others respond, have you not found in your experience that the author of a thread will generally want to hold themselves perhaps to a higher standard than a bunch of anonymous responses, if they wish… Read more »

So Much For Subtlety
So Much For Subtlety
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

Son, you are really a glutton for pain aren’t you? I mean, when you know nothing – literally nothing – about guns, to lecture others in a condescending way is asking for pain. But to accuse me of lying is a whole ‘nother level of stupid. I did not lie. You claimed that an AR-15 was used. It was not. It was a Bushmaster XM-15. Exactly as I said. The point is that you are too ignorant of this subject to distinguish between an AR-15 and an AR-style rifle. Instead you invent a whole lot of new weapons! An Sig… Read more »

So Much For Subtlety
So Much For Subtlety
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

No semi-automatics at all? Good luck with that. Why should the police – who are civilians – not be allowed to use their Glock pistols? What is the logic behind that? Why should everyone be forced to give up their hand guns? But you miss the point – you know f*ck all about this topic. Nothing. You lied when you claimed to serve in the military didn’t you? Why I don’t know. Someone else has given you a citation. They fully admit it. So why are you denying it? http://thefederalist.com/2018/03/01/take-two-weeks-truth-emerge-parkland-students-astroturfing/ “Otherwise, you’re banal comment about conspiracy theories is bogus.” Your.… Read more »

Dennis the Peasant
Dennis the Peasant
3 years ago

Hey, don’t you Tom Fuller’s military cred… He was on the Fort Courage precision typing team!

Dennis the Peasant
Dennis the Peasant
3 years ago

“But here’s the thing: In 2015, nearly 16,000 ineligible gun owners were able to acquire firearms through the “default proceed” law — including Dylann Roof, who then went on to kill nine people in Charleston, South Carolina.” All that tells me is that the FBI under James Comey was incompetent, and that Comey was ineffective. If they needed more resources to ensure the flagged purchases were thoroughly investigated within the three day window, Comey should have made it an issue with President Barack Obama. I don’t recall him ever doing that. Given that the FBI failed to follow protocol in… Read more »

Dennis the Peasant
Dennis the Peasant
3 years ago

I love the fact that Fuller proposes a ban and mandatory buy-back of semi-automatic rifles, but leaves semi-automatic pistols alone. So he’d take your 25 shot Ruger Mini 14 in the name of Safety, but let you keep your Glock 19 with the 33 round magazine.

Makes perfect sense.

Kind of like Richard Murphy claiming you can get a significant reduction in the tax gap by increasing the scrutiny on large corporations and large corporations alone…

So Much For Subtlety
So Much For Subtlety
3 years ago
Gamecock
Gamecock
3 years ago

After every massacre of unarmed people, the Left demands we disarm MORE people.

PF
PF
3 years ago

Brilliant thread!

Thomas, you should do one on climate change; if I recall from loads of reading a few years back, that’s a real specialism of yours?

And with a few provocative cross links to those over at the heart of the religion, that might really get Tim’s hit counter swinging…

Dennis the Peasant
Dennis the Peasant
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

“The great thing about climate change is that I’ll get Ecksy style feedback from both sides.”

If you’re as half-assed with climate change arguments as you are with gun control arguments, I’d say that’s a guarantee… Although why you seem so gleeful about it is a mystery.

Then again, Murphy’s always been able to mangle two subjects (tax and economics) at a time, so why should I be surprised that his doppelganger can as well?

Mr Ecks
Mr Ecks
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Fuller

The “deaths” claimed for the ecowibble are just leftist fantasy. While the 150 million that your fellow cultists have whacked are– or were until your fellow scumbag believers got at them–real, living breathing beings. But nothing to do with you. You just believe and agitate for the same shite as their killers. Oh a mealy-mouthed supposed milk-and-water version in theory ( the way that that cocksucker Chavez started out)–but as I pointed out in a post above that fucking conceit would be accepted by nobody–including your own twisted gang–were it tried on by your fellow socialists of the “national” type.… Read more »

Dennis the Peasant
Dennis the Peasant
3 years ago

To sum up Tom Fuller’s argument:

“Semi-automatic rifles scare me. Make them go away.”

Given that it will be at least a few weeks before the legislation is passed, court challenges addressed and the buy-back program completed, I suggest we all pitch in and buy him a support animal until he really is safe.

Give what we know about Tom so far, I’m thinking dung beetle.

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