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Caroline Farrow’s Pronouns Are A Hate Crime – Whatever Happened To Manners About Trans?

It is entirely true that some of these tales grow in the telling. But that we’re even willing to give credence to this story shows how far we’ve come and apparently in the wrong direction. Using the wrong – or the undesired to be more accurate – pronoun is not a hate crime. It’s not even something the police should be involved with in any capacity whatsoever. It is, rather, something that should be policed by the general societal concept of manners – and societal reaction to someone who is not well mannered.

The claim:

[perfectpullquote align=”full” bordertop=”false” cite=”” link=”” color=”” class=”” size=””] A devout Catholic and mother of five has been asked to attend a police interview after being accused of using the wrong pronoun to describe a transgender girl. Caroline Farrow was contacted by officers from the Surrey force to inform her they were investigating an allegation that she had made transphobic comments on Twitter. Mrs Farrow is being investigated for a possible hate crime under the malicious communication act, an offence that carries a maximum two-year prison sentence. While the 44-year-old has been invited to attend the interview on a voluntary basis, she claims she has been warned that she could face arrest if she fails to attend. [/perfectpullquote]

Supposedly:

So, to lay things out for the hard of thinking. To say nasty things about people is entirely legal – and should be. We even make the distinction in libel law, mere common insult isn’t libel. We also have this concept of hate crimes, not that we should perhaps. Beating someone up simply because they’re a gammon is a hate crime, it’s worse than just beating someone up. But saying nasty things about people is not a hate crime. Or at least shouldn’t be.

For we already have a system of dealing with people saying things. It’s called society. We out here listen to what people say. If they generally say nice things nicely then we think them well mannered and we treat them as such. Accord them a certain social privilege even. If they generally say nasty things, nastily, then we treat them as ill mannered and slice them out of some of society’s good things – like our society.

And that’s the way it should be. What society wishes to police as language is something to be policed by society. Not by actual uniformed police as in Plod.

What Caroline Farrow actually said here, to whom and how, is irrelevant. It’s simply not something that’s any business of the State’s in the slightest. We all can – and will – associate with Ms. Farrow as we wish or not as we wish based upon what we think of her given what she says. That’s the social punishment for overstepping societal boundaries.

All that before we even get to the basic point at issue here. Apparently she used “he” instead of “she”. And if that’s to be a crime then we’ve a certain problem with large parts of our language. Try saying, in that Kenneth Williams nasality, “Oooh, get her!” This is of course to use the wrong pronoun given any biological reality. It’s also a well understood and used phrase to mean someone up themselves. And we’re going to lock people up for it? Especially given the way is exactly describes all too many of these varied activists policing our language.

No, we’re not and we shouldn’t and the very idea is ludicrous. There are indeed these things over here that the Law, Plod and jail cells are to deal with. Then over here there’s the other 98% of life which is dealt with by us ourselves in our daily interactions with all the rest of us. You know, that thing called society. Where we judge people on their manners?

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Quentin Vole
Quentin Vole
1 year ago

We must give our police more resources in order that they may properly address this evil in our midst.

Matt Ryan
Matt Ryan
1 year ago
Reply to  Quentin Vole

Going up against the evil of Tweet’s is safer for plod that going after a young black man with a sharp pointy object.

Rhoda Klapp
Rhoda Klapp
1 year ago

The police here are using the process as punishment. There’s no way they want to take it to court, just try to get a caution out of it. Crime solved, job done.

On the other issue, what we have now is people who know no restraint in the boundaries of what they wish to impose on others. Speech, diet, thought, political inclination, tax liability, whatever. That is the problem, and of course government, which should impose some sort of self-restraint, sees interference with society as its duty, without limitation.

Bob
Bob
1 year ago

Please check the response to these news articles form mermaids including screenshots of the offending tweets.

Whether you think they require police intervention or not, those tweets are far beyond mis-gendering. Especially as they contain allegations of child abuse.
https://www.mermaidsuk.org.uk/mermaids-response-to-media-reporting-on-ceos-report-of-hate-crime.html

Matt Ryan
Matt Ryan
1 year ago
Reply to  Bob

So the police should investigate the CEO of Mermaids UK then rather than the person tweeting about them surely?

Bob
Bob
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt Ryan

Mostly because the allegations of child abuse are unfounded. All the facts of Jackie’s transition are in the public domain. If the police thought that she had abused her child they would have prosecuted her long ago.

Matt Ryan
Matt Ryan
1 year ago
Reply to  Bob

Is this not true?

At the centre of this debate is Mermaids, run by Susie Green. Her daughter had full gender reassignment surgery in Thailand — the op took seven hours — on her 16th birthday because in the UK the minimum age limit is 18.

Because it certainly sounds like she went out of her way to avoid the UK laws on the age for a sex change operation.

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