Limiting Migration To Save The NHS

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Describing Migration Watch as a think tank seems a little rich:

Foreign visitors to the UK aged over 50 from outside the EU should be barred from Britain during the pandemic because of the increased risk of them putting extra strain on NHS, a think tank has proposed.

Migration Watch UK says there should be an age limit for foreign visitors until there is a vaccination for coronavirus.

Think I’d – in this sense and this sense only – classify them over there with NEF and the like. Not so much thinking as projecting underlying prejudices with a veneer of thought above them. True, the prejudices are different but the modus operandi more than just reminds. Fewer furriners, less capitalism, the plating above these changes according to circumstances but not the message itself.

Still, we’ve a nice proof of Hayek on Serfdom here. He didn’t actually say that the existence of the NHS would make us all slaves. What he did say is that if we have an NHS then at some point matters will morph from what can the NHS do for us – a reasonable and correct question – to what must we do for the NHS. Not go out, not use boozers, deny ourselves the consolations of tobacco – and that was before the coronavirus. As also we must graze plants like cattle – being farmed for the benefit of that NHS – in order to reduce costs for the NHS. Or here, Granny can’t come to see Buck Palace because NHS.

Wouldn’t it be nice to be where health care is not the national religion? Where it’s regarded properly. Sure, we both need and desire health care – so, what is which system going to do for us? Instead of the current British thought of what must we do for it?

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Well OK. But if I have to be confined to my home and my work greatly reduced so as not to overwhelm the NHS, why are we continuing to import people capable of adding to that perceived problem of overwhelming the NHS?

I’m a fan of neither the NHS or of lock down. But I fail to see why my government should be more relaxed about pressure on the NHS caused by imports of furriners than it is about my ability to go for a stroll whenever I want…

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Bernie G.

I had forgotten what a bunch of whiners we Brits are; our constant need for reassurance and approbation – not least in the NHS. If just one thing results from this tragedy, please let it be a debate on the future of healthcare in the United Kingdom. It’s amazing how quickly we seem to have forgotten those scandals of recent years; the eyewatering amount of compensation paid to patients for their continual fuckups.

Phoenix44
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Phoenix44

Yes, we ‘ve forgotten the lovely Dr. Jane Barton, who helped on their way at least 450 old people. Do we really think there are not another 10 or so around now?

Esteban
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Esteban

I’m amazed by the signs “Stay Home, Save the NHS, Save Lives” – if this were a conservative or libertarian message and they put “Save Lives” third, after the economy, freedom, ice cream, anything at all it would go nuclear.

Spike
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Spike

But the original goal of compelling Americans to stay home was not to save lives but to “flatten the curve,” so we die sufficiently slowly as to not overburden the institutions.

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...and thus save lives

at least the lives of those that medical treatment saves.

The institutions in question being hospitals, not gravediggers.

Spike
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Spike

Result: Those institutions are teetering on bankruptcy, their beds emptied by order to reserve them for a flood of Covid patients that never came, another industry now on federal welfare. There may be a good debate on whether this would have been the right step if this chest cold were really The Plague, or even whether the US is now more ready to withstand the real thing. But otherwise, for every institution to prepare identically would not have happened in a free market.

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Bloke in North Dorset

That’s my favourite point at the moment.

We went from making sure the health care system is overwhelmed, fair enough I supported that given what we saw in Italy and Spain, to protecting lives without any discussion of the cost of the ongoing lockdown.

Spike
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…Because politicians are now “invested” in their prior decisions and inhibited from adapting them to new data.

This is an important point about political decision-making. It is an environment where ingesting new data will be portrayed as a “flip-flop” or exhibiting “hypocrisy.” If you can discard your beliefs so easily (in the face of new data), you must have been trying to deceive, or have been insincere, to have asserted them in the first place.

Bloke on M4
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Bloke on M4

The one thing that Migration Watch did do was to simply point out the figures. Whether you’re pro- or anti-migration, they showed that government was all talk about reducing it.

Personally, I’m fine with skilled, value-adding migrants coming here. Indian programmers, not Polish girls in cafes.

Edward Lud
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Polish girls in cafés are often toothsome.

I appreciate this is not to the point…

Spike
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Spike

Had to look that one up, and was surprised; I was thinking along the lines of “long in the tooth.”