You Don’t Get Your Own Facts Matey

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So what is it with sociologists and the facts about that real world outside the window? When discussing crime we’retold:

It seems likely that some critics have misunderstood what defunding really means. Campaigns to defund the police and prison system do not argue that every prison should close tomorrow and every police officer be sacked the day after – they argue that social problems are better addressed through social responses. It may be hard to fathom, but no matter how much policing and prisons have expanded in the last 30 years, there has been no improvement in public safety.

Oh Aye?

Sure looks like a reduction to me.

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Joshua Charles
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Joshua Charles

That graph is absolutely unreadable, what happened to it?

John B
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John B

It was defunded?

Barks
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Barks

This is the “Fox Butterfield Phenomenon”, named for a NY Times writer who could not fathom that the NY crime rate had plummeted just about the exact time police and prosecutors began sending the career criminals to the lock-up. A particularly obtuse reporter/commentator.

Spike
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Spike

Misconduct is not a “social problem,” it is misconduct. It is redressed with forcible and unpleasant response. It is rewarded by sending social “workers” into the cities to befriend it. Mayor DeBlasio’s past reliance on welfarists and betrayal of police has returned NYC to gangland. Mexican president Lopez Obrador’s “hugs not bullets” campaign has ceded the cities to the drug lords.

John B
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John B

‘ Campaigns to defund the police and prison system do not argue that every prison should close tomorrow and every police officer be sacked the day after…’

And who decides which, based on what criteria?

‘… they argue that social problems are better addressed through social responses.’

More jobs for unemployable, imbeciles with degrees in History of Lesbian Art.

john77
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john77

So police officers should continue to be employed at a negative salary equal to the non-salary cost of employing them?

Excavator Man
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Excavator Man

Isn’t the defunding suggestion somewhat akin to ‘care in the community’ for complete nutters, allowing them the opportunity for them to hurl infants from high buildings?

Oblong
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Oblong

Weasel words… they want ‘defund’ to mean ‘defund’ when it suits the radical constituency they are talking to, and ‘defund’ to mean ‘Not really defund only kidding’ when trying not to frighten the middle class liberal sheep.

It’s 1984 propaganda SJW-style

Quentin Vole
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Quentin Vole

A tactic used by the Liberal party (and their successors in title) since time immemorial.

Leo Savantt
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Leo Savantt

“they argue that social problems are better addressed through social responses.”

Having a well trained and well funded police force is a social policy response. One that should protect people from criminals and make their lives safer and free from criminals. Sometimes one despairs.

However, the changes in the categorisation, reporting and recording of crime statistics make the graph completely unreliable.

Michael van der Riet
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Michael van der Riet

A) good luck getting the headcount cuts past the police unions. B) it’s interesting to see that the crime rate doubled under Thatcher and halved under Blair. Explanations, plausible ones only please?

Matt
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Matt

Open case, wait 5 seconds, close case. That’ll learn the pesky public not to waste our valuable time with trivia such as burglary. Not when there are people driving at 41mph down a wide straight empty country road or using the wrong pronoun on twatter.